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I am going to play one of those two as my main when the expansion rolls in. I am curious about the question itself, and also I would rather play one more powerful lore-wise. What are your thoughts? This is not a comparison of political power, but a power if those two face one another.

 

While the topic is subjective, let's stay away from going into something like 'I like Wrath so he is more powerful' kind of thread. If you have an opinion, please support it with hard evidences from the game and refrain from ridiculous claims(no, Wrath is not more powerful than entire dark council combined and Nox's strength didn't increase by hundreds-folds with ghosts, both of which claims I saw in other threads.). Nox's ghost will be accounted for when making a comparison for DS Sith Inquisitor didn't release ghosts. The point of comparison is at the end of the current game contents.

 

 

 

I have my own opinion, but to keep the thread neutral, I will just list a couple of examples to support either claims.

 

 

 

 

 

The Wrath being more powerful:

 

 

+According to the codex, Lord Scourge killed at least 100 Jedi and 1000 Siths during his 300 year service to the emperor. Given that he is a personal executioner of the emperor and does not answer to Dark Council, we can speculate that his victims numbering minimum of 1100 force users are powerful individuals as the Emperor wouldn't have bothered otherwise. Servant One and Two would not have deemed the current Wrath worthy if he were not as powerful as Scourge at least. And there is a fact that he was chosen as Wrath over Nox.

 

+The Wrath defeated two Jedi-Masters, a legendary Jedi teacher and one of the greatest duelist Jedi master, by himself. Also, some of his dialogue choices to other Sith Lords in Makeb seem to hint at his superiority, or overconfidence. ("I am Wrath. There is no Sith, no army, no droids that can stop me." "I am Emperor's Wrath. You are worthless here.")

 

 

 

 

Darth Nox being more powerful:

 

+Nox has bound multiple ghosts of very powerful Sith Lords. He could wield power that no individual can possess no matter one's affinity of the force, like the emperor who hosts souls of hundreds sith lords.

 

+Nox defeated a Darth of dark council caliber(according to in-game quote) in Chapter 1 and 2 as opposed to Wrath who faced his first Darth at the end of chapter 2. Nox relatively easily defeats Thenaton whereas Wrath had to fight Baras multiple times, and Baras's comments seem to imply that the fight was quite fierce rather than one-sided. Wrath needed help of another sith lord to depose Dark Council member in chapter 2.

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Shortened because I didn't wanna quote the entire thing.

 

Thenaton with help of ghosts. Wrath needed help of another sith lord to depose Dark Council member in chapter 2.

 

The Inquis only used the ghosts after the battle, just to survive Thanaton's superior knowledge of the Force as demonstrated by the storm.

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The Inquis only used the ghosts after the battle, just to survive Thanaton's superior knowledge of the Force as demonstrated by the storm.

 

I took that out as I edited my post, but it doesn't really matter because we are accounting ghosts' power in Nox when making a comparison anyway.

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I am going to play one of those two as my main when the expansion rolls in. I am curious about the question itself, and also I would rather play one more powerful lore-wise. What are your thoughts?

 

While the topic is subjective, let's stay away from going into something like 'I like Wrath so he is more powerful' kind of thread. If you have an opinion, please support it with hard evidences from the game and refrain from ridiculous claims(no, Wrath is not more powerful than entire dark council combined and Nox's strength didn't increase by hundreds-folds with ghosts, both of which claims I saw in other threads.)

 

 

 

I have my opinion, but to keep the thread neutral, I will just list a couple of examples to support either claims.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Wrath being more powerful:

 

 

+According to the codex, Lord Scourge killed at least 100 Jedi and 1000 Siths during his 300 year service to the emperor. Given that he is a personal executioner of the emperor and does not answer to Dark Council, we can speculate that his victims numbering minimum of 1100 force users are powerful individuals as the Emperor wouldn't have bothered otherwise. Servant One and Two would not have deemed the current Wrath worthy if he were not as powerful as Scourge at least.

 

The Current Wrath has to be more powerful than Lord Scourge because Scourge is several hundred years old

 

+The Wrath defeated two Jedi-Masters, a legendary Jedi teacher and one of the greatest duelist Jedi master, by himself.

 

I just finished the story, and cant remember who your talking about, also I went light side.

 

Darth Nox being more powerful:

 

+Nox has bound multiple ghosts of very powerful Sith Lords. He could wield power that no individual can possess no matter one's affinity of the force.

 

Well, Forceweavers are rare, but not a once in a long long time thing. So, someone else could become as powerful or even more powerful than Darth Nox/Neutral Name/Light Side Name

 

+Nox defeated a Darth of dark council caliber(according to in-game quote) in Chapter 1 and 2 as opposed to Wrath who faces his first Darth at the end of chapter 2. Nox relatively easily defeats Thenaton with help of ghosts. Wrath needed help of another sith lord to depose Dark Council member in chapter 2.

 

You needed your Dashade companion Khem Val to "defeat" Zash. and you didnt ever defeat a Darth in Chapter 2 for Inquis... Nor a Dark Council Member in Chapter 2 of the Warrior line. Your thinking of Chapter 3. and the Darth helping you in Chapter 3 doesnt physically help you defeat Baras, sooo that doesnt count.

 

 

Canonically, the Wraith is above all of the Dark Council, so the Wraith is more powerful than the Council. Nox is pretty weak by himself, but with the Ghosts power, he bolsters his own reserves. So, yea...

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Canonically, the Wraith is above all of the Dark Council, so the Wraith is more powerful than the Council. Nox is pretty weak by himself, but with the Ghosts power, he bolsters his own reserves. So, yea...

 

1) By ranking, yes. By what the Emperor hopes, yes. But the Wrath is officially recognized before Nox joins the council. Rank =/= power.

 

 

2) *spits out coke* Lol are you serious? Nox never used the ghosts to do much except give Thanaton a little Force push. He defeated multiple Darth's before Thanaton like Kallous and Enraj, and those are just before the end of the storyline. Inquis is easily equal to if not more powerful on his own, even without the ghosts.

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While the topic is subjective, let's stay away from going into something like 'I like Wrath so he is more powerful' kind of thread.

 

Sadly I fear this is what the thread will turn into. I know I had to deal with something similar in another thread with the agent of all people.

 

A case for the inquisitor:

Well right from the get-go on Korriban the Inquisitor must constantly face not only the usual trials but also the bias and active sabotage attempts of Harkun in order to succeed. Still he overcomes these setbacks. Contrast that to the warrior who is on the other end of the coin, getting preferential treatment right from the landing pad (something I've heard was a deliberate contrast by the writers). The inquisitor gets taught the Sith Code early and arguably lives it by the end of his academy training. The warrior can barely mumble through it when he's already being chosen as Baras' apprentice. The inquisitor defeats and binds a Dashade, a creature specifically resistant to the Force and used to literally consuming much more accomplished Sith while the Warrior's greatest feat during the trials was probably killing Overseer Tremel who was a dead man anyway.

 

Post Korriban the Inquisitor successfully kills a Darth (that he had help exploiting a significant weakness is a consideration but not enough to nullify the achievement) and is regularly tasked with entering tombs filled with dark side dangers. The warrior on the other hand spends most of this time dispatching chumps that have grown inconvenient to Baras. The inquisitor is betrayed much sooner and attacked by his master directly as opposed to merely being lured into a Bond villain death plan, after which he is betrayed a second time by Thanaton.

 

Then of course you have the lore behind the Force Walking ritual and the consideration that the inquisitor is the only being ever to bind multiple ghosts and survive. You have the added dangers of dealing with Sith ghosts altogether. And finally given that inquisitors are able to become sorcerers and thus must have an affinity for the dark side itself, it follows that Nox is the more powerful or at least potentially the most powerful.

 

Beyond Force power, there is also influence to consider. Nox inherits a fairly large powerbase by the end but also establishes his own with his cult, the Silencer and associated Moffs. The Wrath on the other hand really just has the Emperor's word and perhaps Rathari. The former may be enough presently but if the Emperor never returns that will diminish rather quickly.

 

And on the subject of their enemies I never felt Baras to be a particularly good Sith. He's got the manipulation down but his Force power seems lacking. He couldn't even break a simple SIS agent. Thanaton on the other hand may not be as well regarded at the start but you definitely feel his power when he reveals it and he actually comes off as threatening. Also like the inquisitor he's had to deal with more than his share of setbacks and he's still come out on top.

 

Another feeling that I got when playing the Warrior is that he didn't feel particularly smart. The inquisitor is geared towards power building and manipulation and has his moments of wisdom but the warrior felt like a tool throughout even after the betrayal. And whearas the inquisitor went from slave to ruler, the warrior remained a hatchet man throughout. I guess we can thank the inspiration of the classes (who's a better Sith, Sidious or Vader?) for locking down those paths.

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And on the subject of their enemies I never felt Baras to be a particularly good Sith. He's got the manipulation down but his Force power seems lacking. He couldn't even break a simple SIS agent. Thanaton on the other hand may not be as well regarded at the start but you definitely feel his power when he reveals it and he actually comes off as threatening. Also like the inquisitor he's had to deal with more than his share of setbacks and he's still come out on top.

 

It is probably true, too. Darth Baras was nearly killed along with his sister by Noman Karr(who eliminated Sith Infiltrators) and was humiliated by Xerender. Both Jedi Masters(and Xerender's stronger master, too) die at the hands of SW. SW might have been more powerful than Baras from rather early chapters, though this unexplains why he needed an aid of another apprentice against Darth Vengean.

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I'm treating it as a "who would win in a fight question" and I'll say, well, it depends. Darth Imperius is stronger in the Force and has at least dabbled in the dark arts of Sith Sorcery, but the Wrath is the most powerful saberist of his order. Since the Force usually wins out over saberplay according to my very bad knowledge of Star Wars lore, I'd say Imperius wins in a battle of attrition or if he starts the fight on his terms -- but only if he can put up a decent lightsaber defense.
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I'm treating it as a "who would win in a fight question" and I'll say, well, it depends. Darth Imperius is stronger in the Force and has at least dabbled in the dark arts of Sith Sorcery, but the Wrath is the most powerful saberist of his order. Since the Force usually wins out over saberplay according to my very bad knowledge of Star Wars lore, I'd say Imperius wins in a battle of attrition or if he starts the fight on his terms -- but only if he can put up a decent lightsaber defense.

 

Woo, another Darth Imperius!

 

Well, I think Darth Imperius has a lot more resources at his disposal, but on one on one fighting, I think they're an even match.

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I consider the 1v1 fight a moot point, as it's the age old "warrior vs mage" scenario.

 

Now there are interesting things to compare, considering the source of their power (I'm talking about status and authority, not martial prowess).

 

The Wrath is tied to the emperor, while Darth Noxx/Occlus/Imperius is tied to the dark council. Their respective powers therefore depend heavily on these two entities. At a time where the emperor was an active and threatening figure, the Wrath would have stood supreme, but considering the emperor's situation during the game's timeline, everything is changing. At this stage, the Wrath barely stands above the dark council, and with growing rumors of the emperor's death, the situation is not going to improve.

 

Now if we measure a Sith's strength by the power of his enemies, there are many things to consider. I did not like Thanaton as a villain, as you face him too many times and it really lessens the character. It really feels like you beat him at every corner and he always scurries away, whereas you have to fight your way to Baras and only face him once. It's more a flaw in the scenario than a way to evaluate a sith's power though.

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The Wrath is tied to the emperor, while Darth Noxx/Occlus/Imperius is tied to the dark council. Their respective powers therefore depend heavily on these two entities. At a time where the emperor was an active and threatening figure, the Wrath would have stood supreme, but considering the emperor's situation during the game's timeline, everything is changing. At this stage, the Wrath barely stands above the dark council, and with growing rumors of the emperor's death, the situation is not going to improve.

 

 

This, pretty much. In addition, the Wrath has no real authority of his own -- when the Dark Councillors bow to him (and of course Imperius never did, though I imagine they came across each other on the way to / from the Dark Council Chamber ... cue awkward smalltalk), they bow to the authority of the emperor embodied within him. And the emperor's authority is waning, with at least Marr quite obviously considering rebellion. It always seemed to me as if his words on Makeb were at least partially designed to get both Imperius and the Wrath on his side in preparation for a coup d'etat.

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Purely in a one on one battle , i would have to give it to the inquisitor , due to the fact that he has a more diverse arsenal at his disposal . Remember , that the story of both the warrior and the inquisitor is for the base class , not the AC , so where the warrior has the ability to soak more damage ( immortal spec ) and perform more vicious attacks (Carnage i suppose ?! ) and use basic telekinesis force attacks along with some very powerful skills to prolong his life ( Undying Rage and Enraged Defense come to mind ) , the inquisitor on the other hand , can be just a durable or at least almost as durable ( darkness spec ) , but with the added bonus of being able to heal from the most grievous of injuries ( Corruption ) , along with the fact that he has learned the ability to become immune to any type of damage for a period of time , all the while slowly healing his injuries and allowing himself time to think of a new strategy ( Corrupted Barrier ) . Coupled that with the fact that he can completely render his attackers force powers useless ( Force Shroud anyone ?! :D ) and all the warrior has is brute strength to try to pound the inquisitor into the ground , but the simple answer that the inquisitor has , , if a head on battle is useless , is disappearing( Stealth + Force Cloak ) from the battle field and taking the warrior out from the shadows , or messing with his mind ( Mind Trap ) , something that wouldn't make the warrior go insane or anything like that , as i am sure that hes more than capable of shrugging on those kinds of mental attacks , but it would be enough of a distraction for the inquisitor to take advantage of . Lets not forget Phase Walk , which , if you played through the Agent story and you battled Jadus , you will know how that skill actually works , but due to game restrictions , it was impossible to be implemented like that in the game :D

I could go on , but i am sure that everyone knows by now , where i am going with this :D

In short , the warrior is definetly the more acomplished marshal artist of the 2 , but the inquisitor is not pushover in that department either and with the added bonus of a more varied and more unorthodox skill set of force powers at his disposal , i believe that this would tip the balance in favour of the inquisitor , but not by a wide margin , since if he makes 1 mistake , the smallest ever , it would mean the end of him.

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I would have to say Nox, I can't imagine how wrath would defend himself against the incredible force power that Nox has, admitted Wrath has better saber skills but Nox's saber skills aren't going to be lacking at all especially if we consider him an assassin. In the end it would come down to Wrath having no defense against Nox's force attacks and generally speaking force power>saber skills.
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I would have to say Nox, I can't imagine how wrath would defend himself against the incredible force power that Nox has, admitted Wrath has better saber skills but Nox's saber skills aren't going to be lacking at all especially if we consider him an assassin. In the end it would come down to Wrath having no defense against Nox's force attacks and generally speaking force power>saber skills.

 

Lore-wise, the strength of force powers over martial skills shifts depending on scenario requirements rather than a definite power scale. Consider force lightning, sometimes shown as an unstoppable powr of death, and sometimes merely deflected by a raised lightsaber.

 

Reducing martial skills to merely saber wielding is also a dangerous shortcut, especially since it is easy to slip into even more shortsighted game comparison. Just because in game classes are restricted to a few techniques for game balance purposes does not mean that characters would be facing such restrictions outside of a game environment. For instance, ravagers study the teachings of Marka Ragnos, and it is not by accident that one specialisation is called "immortal". Just because there is not enough in game "props" to figure how offensive force powers (be they sith lightning or Jedi pebble throwing) are defended against does not mean that an accomplished immortal ravager would not even consider defense against Sith powers.

 

If lightsaber prowess was systematically inferior to force abilities, it would have no place in Sith society. Why would you train to be an accomplished saberist knowing that any "fellow" Sith with a command of offensive force powers would defeat you?

 

I'm not saying that Noxx would be superior or inferior to the Wrath as I still consider it an endless debate, but we are talking about two exceptional individuals who achieved positions of authority and defeat powerful foes. their power is simply an order of magnitude above other Sith.

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*snip*

 

Then of course you have the lore behind the Force Walking ritual and the consideration that the inquisitor is the only being ever to bind multiple ghosts and survive. You have the added dangers of dealing with Sith ghosts altogether. And finally given that inquisitors are able to become sorcerers and thus must have an affinity for the dark side itself, it follows that Nox is the more powerful or at least potentially the most powerful.

 

*snip*

 

While many of your points are valid, I think the enemies SW faced were of higher caliber, and this is a reliable way to tell which of these two are superior. I have played SI before SW so feel free to list any notable enemies SI defeated. I will argue in favour of the Wrath because nobody else did. I agree that SW had walked a privileged path and had things easy, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he is weaker. It could be argued that SI faced harder circumstances simply because he was relatively weaker.

 

We just have to look at the enemies he defeated in comparison to SI:

 

Darth Baras, who almost dominated the DC whereas Thenaton was regarded as a lesser. Baras was manipulative, but if he were not powerful his deceit alone wouldn't have bent whole DS to his will. If not for SW, he would have been declared emperor's voice and seized entire control of the empire. He is a better sith than Thenaton.

 

Noman Kaar, who fatally injured Baras and defeated Darth Ekkage(DC member. She killed a sith lord in few seconds), eliminated Sith Infiltrators which were the best assassins in the galaxy. So when SI defeated Lord Jash, SW defeated a Jedi Master who bested DC member. In Tatooin, SI was already capable of defeating 2 Jedi Masters without help from companion; master Yonlach, a legendary Jedi teacher, and Master Yuli, the best duelist Yonlach has ever taught.

 

SW enlisted help of Baras's apprentice to defeate Darth Vengean, but the apprentice was needed to unlock the chamber of Darth Vengean. We don't know if he was incapable of defeating Darth Vengean alone, but from his other exploits, I would reckon he was capable.

 

In Hoth, SW defeated Master Xerender, one of the best Jedi leaders in war efforts and who defeated Baras; he goes on to defeat Xerender's master(forgot his name) who has been communing with the force in his trap for a decade and who claims to have understanding of force transcendent any force users.

 

In Corellia, SW kills 3 Jedi masters simultaneously. One of Jedi Masters and his guards die in less than one second during the cutscene, though honestly that was done to ease the fight the for player; it still counts as his feat.

 

In Voss, SW defeats Voice of the Emperor(presumably similar to one that JK killed) empowered by Mel-Kor.

 

Lord Draghg who easily bested Vaurewn, another DC member.

 

 

At the highest estimation, SW was stronger than DC member Darth Ekkage at the end of Chapter 1. The same cannot be said of SI. Many details have slipped my memory, but I don't recall SI taking 3 Jedi Masters simultaneously nor facing enemies such as Voice of the Emperor and Mel-Kor either. Thenaton might be stronger than Baras(which I doubt due to other DC members disposition towards him and Baras being empowered by ancient Sith spirit), but I don't see him being definitely more powerful than Darth Ekkage, Xerender or his stronger master, or Noman Karr. I think we all tend to forget the enemies SW defeats before facing Baras because Baras was relatively unimpressive, and we automatically assume later enemies are stronger than enemies one faced earlier; from a story-point of view, this is not true; For instance, Noman Karr was a man who anihilated the best assassins' order in the galaxy and defeated Baras(surprise!) and a DC member, and SW faced him at the end of Chapter 1.

 

I also think a Wrath wouldn't be deemed as such intimating figure if he were not capable of executing a rogue DC member and his power base. Lord Scourge was DC-caliber(he killed one) 300 years ago and was only bested by Darth Nihiriss, one of the most powerful DC Darths at that time. 300 years later, he would have become immensely powerful and I can't imagine the emperor appointing someone weaker than that, which implies that SW at the end of Chapter 2 was a force to be feared even by DC members.

 

Hence I tend to believe SW being more powerful, but I am willing to change my view if someone could refute my points.

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Darth Baras, who almost dominated the DC whereas Thenaton was regarded as a lesser. Baras was manipulative, but if he were not powerful his deceit alone wouldn't have bent whole DS to his will. If not for SW, he would have been declared emperor's voice and seized entire control of the empire. He is a better sith than Thenaton.

 

This was not my perception which was that Baras did indeed succeed almost entirely based on intrigue and political power and with something of a boost from that sith entity, whereas Thanaton's power was based on his skill and power with the dark side.

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The Inquisitor's lore is stronger than the Wrath's. I believe the points have been exhausted.

 

Sith gets their power from the darkside and this is perfectly represented in the inquisitor's storyline. The Inquisitor had to face many dangers, tame ghosts and defeat a few Darths, to ascend to the position of a Dark Counsel Member.

 

Someone mentioned Scourge but remember that Scourge was made immortal by the will of the Emperor (who is a sorcerer :D). Scourge could not defeat Revan, and he only won that fight against the Dark Counsel Member because the guy was old and his power depleted. And for all I know he couldn't defeat Niriss either (who was also a sorcerer).

 

I really can't find anything exceptional about the wrath that would make him better than the Inquisitor. Except perhaps the fact that he defeated the real voice of the emperor (at the emperor's behest). As far as I am concerned, defeating Darth Baras was nothing to write home about.

 

Whereas as for the inqiisitor, Thanaton had the means and power to make his life miserable. I mean everyone was out to kill the inquisitor. Whatever the inquisitor knew, Thanaton knew it better so to come out as the victor was quiet an achievement.

 

 

The inquisitor in the end had more power and authority than the Wrath. And before we say the Wrath answer only to the emperor, it is in so far as his actions do not conflict with the Dark Counsel, and the inquisitor does not answer to the counsel either. Darth marr said so himself. The inquisitor had a strnger powerbase in the end but the wrath didn't.

 

It would have been a lot easier for someone to off the wrath than the inquisitor :D

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Based on the starwars lore Ive read over the past few years and some of the audiobooks Ive herd to me its like this

 

Wrath = has to be able to kill any sith that oppose the emperor, he ranks above all the council. also from what Ive heard aswell, Scourge was going to be put on the dark council but instead the emperor made him his wrath, so basically if the emperor was to die and he was no longer wrath, im pretty sure he would just challenge a seat on the dark council, if i remember correctly (this is quite some remembering so forgive me if i missed out some details) but didnt the sith warrior take on Darth baras's power base before directly going to baras? im pretty sure he did.

 

The Force vs lightsaber thing is they both have strong points and weak points, and tbh throughout starwars history there have been countless fights where lightsaber duellists have beaten powerful force users and vice versa.

 

As for Reven and scourge fighting, i dont recall that ever happening, Revan had taken on nyriss defeated her but not scourge, well saying that scorge backstabbed revan and meetra but it wasnt a fight at all.

 

Revan beat nyriss who was a sorcerer, he was a jedi knight = sith warrior going on the melee weapon more than the force

 

Darth Nox - Powerful Force user I admit that but.... when you join the dark council i can remember darth marr making a comment, like your find us more than your equal or something along those lines that sort of spoiled the all mighty sith inquisitor, also on that note its up to the player or not to let the force ghosts go, so its a matter of opinion of if he still has them or not.

 

as for the 1v1 one, wrath easily beats nox without his ghosts

nox with ghosts = wrath and him fair fight both with strengths and weakness (dont forget although the warrior is mainly lightsaber user he still has a range of force attacks at his command aswell)

 

But imo Wrath wins

 

Kinda gets me thinking aswell if nox was so powerful why didnt the emperor make him wrath instead ? if he had chose to replace the current wrath with nox it could have Mabe been possible.

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Based on the starwars lore Ive read over the past few years and some of the audiobooks Ive herd to me its like this

 

Wrath = has to be able to kill any sith that oppose the emperor, he ranks above all the council. also from what Ive heard aswell, Scourge was going to be put on the dark council but instead the emperor made him his wrath, so basically if the emperor was to die and he was no longer wrath, im pretty sure he would just challenge a seat on the dark council, if i remember correctly (this is quite some remembering so forgive me if i missed out some details) but didnt the sith warrior take on Darth baras's power base before directly going to baras? im pretty sure he did.

 

The Force vs lightsaber thing is they both have strong points and weak points, and tbh throughout starwars history there have been countless fights where lightsaber duellists have beaten powerful force users and vice versa.

 

As for Reven and scourge fighting, i dont recall that ever happening, Revan had taken on nyriss defeated her but not scourge, well saying that scorge backstabbed revan and meetra but it wasnt a fight at all.

 

Revan beat nyriss who was a sorcerer, he was a jedi knight = sith warrior going on the melee weapon more than the force

 

Darth Nox - Powerful Force user I admit that but.... when you join the dark council i can remember darth marr making a comment, like your find us more than your equal or something along those lines that sort of spoiled the all mighty sith inquisitor, also on that note its up to the player or not to let the force ghosts go, so its a matter of opinion of if he still has them or not.

 

as for the 1v1 one, wrath easily beats nox without his ghosts

nox with ghosts = wrath and him fair fight both with strengths and weakness (dont forget although the warrior is mainly lightsaber user he still has a range of force attacks at his command aswell)

 

But imo Wrath wins

 

Kinda gets me thinking aswell if nox was so powerful why didnt the emperor make him wrath instead ? if he had chose to replace the current wrath with nox it could have Mabe been possible.

 

Well Scourge wouldn't have fought Revan, Scourge could sense Revan's power and knew he was far beyond anything Scourge could ever hope to defeat. I believe in the book it says something along the lines of; When scourge felt revans power he had never felt power like it.

 

As much as Wrath can use force skills though very limited, Nox can use sabers and is an expert with the double bladed saber and I'm fairly certain if Nox can so easily swat away blasts of lightning of Thanaton that Wrath would have no chance of hurting Nox with force attacks.

 

Nox had killed a Darth (admitted he was weakened) before he even left Dromund Kaas.

 

Darth Decimus also stated;

"From slavery rises the most powerful Sith in generations. Darth Thanaton is right to fear you."

 

I think if we look at feats of both and thier displays of power then Nox comes up on top everytime, I don't see how the Wrath would have defended himself or even survived the lightning **** storm that Thanaton threw at Nox.

 

You also get the sense from other DC members that Nox is the most powerful and accepted as the leader along with Marr, this is made quite clear in the Makeb cutscenes.

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ok seems this is going to be a long long thread at this rate, i can say this next person will find some sort of reason to make there favorite of the 2 win.

 

so to be either this comes down to a draw or we go off current combat in game and if that happens jugg wins each time hands down,

 

so there you have it, a draw, but im willing to make a bet with you all that when (Eventually) bioware releases the cannon for this game like they did with the kotor 1 and 2 games i bet wrath wins over nox.

 

but until then we cant know 100% for sure same as we dont know how powerful these are against the jedi, it kinda comes down to personal opinion, lightsabers vs force = whoever is the more skilled.

 

The end...or is it

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Yeah but in keeping with the terms of reference of the OP, I beleive we are confined to the lore of the Inquisitor vs Wrath (in this realm) and the inferences that can be drawn with regards to their power. Most of it is implied through dialogue and the rest through actual achievements.

 

Obviously, the power of the Inquisitor must be called into question as well as the ability of the warrior to defend himself against that power. Lightsaber can absorb so much force lightening and no more. Which is why Tol braga et al failed when they confronted the Emperor.

 

If we look back at the Wrath's story, he needed help to defeat Ekkage, whereas as the inquistor (who's connection to the force was weakened) was able to bring down a Sith Lord. And binding all those force ghosts were not easy fet.

 

If we are looking at it from an in-game perspective then the points are moot because it is really the player behind the toon that matters and not so much the toon itself. But if we are to confine ourselves to the lore then the inquisitor is ahead :D

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It's so frustrating to take apart lore and gameplay.

 

If we stick to the gameplay, Noxx as a sorcerer has next to no lightsaber skills (you could replace a sorc's lightsaber with a cactus on a stick and it would not make a significant difference), Noxx as an assassin would have much more limited knowledge of the Force. On the other hand, gameplay wise, Wrath is limited to ligthsaber skills with very limited Force backup.

 

But this is purely gameplay limitations, in both cases, in the same way the distinction is made between inquisitors and warriors. Take most accomplished Jedis and Sith in the lore, you will notice that Sidious, while being the ultimate inquisitor, with great knowledge of the force, is also a stunning saberist. Most consular or inquisitor types were fairly competent with lightsabers, lightyears beyond what the sorcererr class offers. In a similar way, Malgus, being the "classic" juggernaut, shrugs off force assaults and other unpleasantness simply by drawing from his rage. That's also what juggernauts are supposed to do. Simply shrug off anything thrown at them.

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Honestly people are looking at this in a different light. People claim Nox is both a dual wielding and force specialist in lore. He's not. We're offered two paths and typically with bioware usually only one is canon. Nox is either a sorcerer or an assassin. Given the type of story I believe him to be a sorcerer lorewise. It also makes sense because being a slave he was expected to fail in every situation and with Zash he wasn't given proper training by him. He was brought in to fetch her artifacts so she could have a new body. I believe he's very much the story of someone who had to use his raw potential/power in order to survive what he came in contact with. That being said, Nox has a much higher mastery over the force than the warrior and a lot of raw power at his side.

 

For those claiming he must have excellent saber skills I ask why? The Emperor himself doesn't mark very high as a saber duelist. In fact, he doesn't see Lightsabers as worth it. He believed with enough raw power the ability to use a lightsaber to be irrelevant. You can toss your opponent around like a rag doll. With this being the case the Warrior is capable of shielding himself from force attacks and is a capable duelist. He has a much higher skill in Lightsaber combat than Nox and is probably the greatest duelist in the galaxy (rivaled only by the Jedi Guardian).

 

My verdict? It's a tie. I think the Consular and Jedi Guardian to also be equal in different ways whereas the Inquisitor/Sith Warrior are also equal. They represent two different paths in being Sith and together they are a combination of the strongest force user and the best duelist the Empire has to offer. To me they're the immovable object and the unstoppable force. I believe a true duel between the two of them would result in both breaking assuming they noticed each other at the same time and enter combat simultaneously. I see no reason why one must be more powerful than the other.

 

So bias aside I think both have similar accomplishment levels and both have similar strength.

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We're offered two paths and typically with bioware usually only one is canon. Nox is either a sorcerer or an assassin.

 

Not quite. Typically, Bioware games don't HAVE canon that contradicts player choice. One of the Dragon Age novels featured a character who could have been dead, if I recall correctly, and BW immediately hurried to clarify that her being alive was not to be considered canon if you had killed her in the game. Only exception to my knowledge is KOTOR, which is of course a licensed game within what was at the time the established Star Wars EU.

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I see it very simple way.

 

Both are ofc powerfull and eiter could win a fight between the two. Still as i see it Nox is free to do whatever he/she wishes (even try to claim the throne) when wrath (as i would see) is still somewhat pawn for emperor or atleast to idea of emperor.

 

And ofc all this "in general"

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