Hi guys,

Why are so many QQ forums in the PvP section? I finally resubbed after a few months away, randomly hopping in, reading forums, etc. (And no it's not about the bonuses for the upcoming major patch, yes I'm not calling it an expansion, just my opinion)

I came back because now It'll be easier for me to gear my toons, switch classes when ever I please and have them in full 2018. The required 2018 for ranked is what really brought me back though, the less coms for gear is just a plus.

Now, I've been reading the forums on my spare time, and man do people just cry... just a few months ago I started taking ranked a bit more serious I've been playing since about 2.2 First toon was a sorc, and second was my assassin, and they're the ONLY two max level'd classes I have had since.

This being said, Let me tell you guys why you probably cry so much about PvP in this game

1) You probably don't know your class and think you do

2) You don't take time out of your game time to learn your class

3) You're Tunnel visioning

4) You're not using your utility skills, Defensive/ Offensive CD effectively.

5) You Don't See chat

6) You're chasing numbers and not objectives.

7) You Probably need to upgrade your gaming pads, mouse, or keyboards to something you'll find a lot more easier and comfortable

Now on my sorc, when I first started I sucked miserably I made an avg of 200k dps or less a warzone... yes terrible. What I did to get better, is look for help. I guarded nodes until i had decent PvP gear and even so I still did, observed, and analyze each match I went into. What players did, what they didn't, watched the scoreboards studied the players who put out the most dps, and played objectives etc. One day, I had full 2018, and whispered a sorc who had about 800k dps, and asked him for help. he sent me his build, his gear, told me what I should do as a sorc and what I shouldn't. It helped alot because after a few matches and regearing entirely, I was putting out 400-500k dps a wz, that to me was an improvement, but the more I played and researched on sorcs while I was on break at work. I ended up being top 3 in each wz. I also dueled other players as much as I can to learn.

When I made my assassin, because I wanted to go madness, and have a cool saberstaff, I sucked. I didn't know what i was doing. I honestly dislike Meelee classes, and I felt like giving up on my sin. but I didn't. I did the same thing I did when I sucked on my sorc. Researched, inspected other sins gear, asked for help, watched videos, etc. Now, not to brag, but I'm usually top 3 in warzones with both my sin and sorc. and I'm great with both.

All of this was before sorcs and sages even got their force barrier, and everyone cried about how Sins and sorcs were OP (3.0).

My suggestion, is to do what I did. Research. Now I'm off to SUCK at solo ranked and LEARN some more to IMPROVE hahahaha.

GoodLuck, let the bashing begin.

- Dream, out.

Now, I've been reading the forums on my spare time, and man do people just cry... just a few months ago I started taking ranked a bit more serious I've been playing since about 2.2 First toon was a sorc, and second was my assassin, and they're the ONLY two max level'd classes I have had since.

Welcome back, but...uh....maybe try a sniper or merc or mara or jugg in arenas. I don't think you are quite up to speed on how much EZ mode sorcs are. Sins are not as easy as they were when 3.0 first came out, but those are definitely still two of the top classes in pvp right now.

EDIT: Also, dps means damage per second. Pet peeve of mine. There is no way you were doing two hundred thousand damage in one second. I get that some people use it as a generic shorthand for "damage," but actual damage per second is something that is more useful for determining a player's performance than raw damage numbers, because the total damage numbers depend entirely on how long the match lasted.

Welcome back, but...uh....maybe try a sniper or merc or mara or jugg in arenas. I don't think you are quite up to speed on how much EZ mode sorcs are. Sins are not as easy as they were when 3.0 first came out, but those are definitely still two of the top classes in pvp right now.

 

EDIT: Also, dps means damage per second. Pet peeve of mine. There is no way you were doing two hundred thousand damage in one second. I get that some people use it as a generic shorthand for "damage," but actual damage per second is something that is more useful for determining a player's performance than raw damage numbers, because the total damage numbers depend entirely on how long the match lasted.

Yea, I use "dps" as total, it's a habit, and I haven't been gone for too long, just since 3.2b so that's what 2 or 3 months?

But the point is of this post is that I've struggled with the class, but I've learned the class, way before sins and sorcs were "OP" people should really start learning their class. They're still extremely squishy as hell though.

My theory is that People don't know how to use their class. That's the point of this post, to give hints on how to perform better, and how to learn a class.

I've been playing since about 2.2 First toon was a sorc

All of this was before sorcs and sages even got their force barrier

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Who gives a damn about regs anyway? Balance in regs is fine. It's ranked where the current state of sorcs actually matters.

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Who gives a damn about regs anyway? Balance in regs is fine. It's ranked where the current state of sorcs actually matters.

New players don't go to queue ranked to get gear.....Should start reading the forum post; this post wasn't about balancing either...

Edit: And Even if they wanted to queue Solo ranked to gear up, It wouldn't work because 2018exp is required, and even before, we got rewarded ranked commendations and you needed warzone commendations to get reg gear, then trade in for ranked.

You are also forgetting the natural ability. Folks who grew up playing games that demanded high reflexes and spatial awareness simply cannot understand that if you did not, it requires one heck of a talent. AC selection and practice might help out a little, but when you hit your ceiling you can't really go much further. Doesn't mean you can't have fun, but expecting great performances is wrong.

I always find it unfair when experienced players go on and on comparing SWTOR to other games and how it is easy, and you have to simply have a pulse to succeed, because it is not true. Playing any role in SWTOR is hard, and I have nothing but huge respect to the great players topping the leaderboards.

One more thing is that there are pros and cons in this game to specializing in one class, vs trying to play a lot of classes. The game makes Legacy system interesting and profitable, as well as playing a plethora of things available to every player. Playing another AC helps learn its strength and weaknesses. On another hand playing different characters takes time from mastering just one to the point you can play it well.

Another huge aspect is teamwork and a value of a coordinated team cannot be overstated. I know, it's just one sentence, but tomes can be written on how teamwork changes everything and how the best of the teams are incredible (that includes both synergy and comp).

In the end, playing your AC and your role well in both PvE and PvP is a skill-intensive enterprise, depending on a body of knowledge, personal talent and synergy with the other players. Like with everything else, very few will shine. I agree though that complaining about it is just as fruitless as pining about not making it onto the Olympic stadium. Accepting your own limitations and being content with what you have - and you have a super-fun game to play- is a good thing.

My theory is that People don't know how to use their class. That's the point of this post, to give hints on how to perform better, and how to learn a class.

So what do you say to all the Mercs who've played the class longer than you've played the game? The point I'm going to make is that some classes are definitely inferior when it comes to PvP.

You only have to go look at the ranked leaderboards to see which classes this is happening to, and which ones are performing above par. It literally has nothing to do with skill, which is what PvP should be based on.

Welcome back, but...uh....maybe try a sniper or merc or mara or jugg in arenas. I don't think you are quite up to speed on how much EZ mode sorcs are. Sins are not as easy as they were when 3.0 first came out, but those are definitely still two of the top classes in pvp right now.

 

EDIT: Also, dps means damage per second. Pet peeve of mine. There is no way you were doing two hundred thousand damage in one second. I get that some people use it as a generic shorthand for "damage," but actual damage per second is something that is more useful for determining a player's performance than raw damage numbers, because the total damage numbers depend entirely on how long the match lasted.

Do not -even- compre sniper / merc to jugg / mara. Jugg / mara are infinitely easier than sniper / merc at the moment. While jugs and maras get buffs, sniper / mercs are still getting nerfed.

Uhh you forgot gear.

Most people I see whining are running around in 168 or higher pve gear. They get slaughtered, can't heal, etc, etc, yadda, yadda, and then complain.

All things being equal, gear will get you slaughtered quickly. Skill won't save your butt if you are in inferior gear.

I've been playing since about 2.2 First toon was a sorc, and second was my assassin, and they're the ONLY two max level'd classes I have had since.

 

 

All of this was before sorcs and sages even got their force barrier, and everyone cried about how Sins and sorcs were OP (3.0).

Dude, you don't know your own class.

Sorcs and sages got Force Barrier when 2.0 came out, that was a few months before you started. It was also a level 51 ability so you would have had it before breaking into 55s. Sorcs and sages haven't been considered weak since before 2.0, which was before you started playing.

But since you think you are all bad *** how about this while playing 2 FOTY classes, go play a mando or merc in 60s and get back to us. Heck, I'll even accept superior performance in regs on a mando or merc as criteria for your eliteness.

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Now, I've been reading the forums on my spare time, and man do people just cry... just a few months ago I started taking ranked a bit more serious I've been playing since about 2.2 First toon was a sorc, and second was my assassin, and they're the ONLY two max level'd classes I have had since.

 

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I stopped after reading this. Come back after you put your money where your mouth is and play other classes that aren't FOTM

I stopped after reading this. Come back after you put your money where your mouth is and play other classes that aren't FOTM

No kidding lol. What a complete joke.

I've seen, and know a merc who's outstanding. I ran a few ranked with him. But yes I understand mercs are UP'd.

2nd just because I only have two maxed lv characters doesn't mean ****. I don't think i'm bad a** because I clearly stated that I'm off to go suck at some solo ranked, because for a while I've been min maxing my characters to experiment which stats are better etc, and leveling alts until recently. My next two are mara and Sniper, and I'm having more fun with the marauder now than I do kiting on my sorc, which is surprising for me because I don't like meelee. And just today I was in a wz, on my marauder and fought off a shadow, and scoundrel off my node, cause my team didn't come when I called inc the first two times. and killed them both.

3rd, I played sorcs, because in EVERY game i play I pick a sorcerer. I always go for the magic user. And when I did, there was very few sorcs around. **** in fact, I remember people in fleet stating "Q for yolo unless you're sniper, merc, or sorc" And I q'd one time as a sorc after gearing and hitting 55 and got whispers and cussed at before the match even started just because I was a sorc.

I Don't play FOTM, I play what Fits me, and I like Force users, Range, saberstaff and DoTs; I stuck with my sorc way before they got buffed. And people started saying they were OP.

You are also forgetting the natural ability. Folks who grew up playing games that demanded high reflexes and spatial awareness simply cannot understand that if you did not, it requires one heck of a talent. AC selection and practice might help out a little, but when you hit your ceiling you can't really go much further. Doesn't mean you can't have fun, but expecting great performances is wrong.

 

I always find it unfair when experienced players go on and on comparing SWTOR to other games and how it is easy, and you have to simply have a pulse to succeed, because it is not true. Playing any role in SWTOR is hard, and I have nothing but huge respect to the great players topping the leaderboards.

 

One more thing is that there are pros and cons in this game to specializing in one class, vs trying to play a lot of classes. The game makes Legacy system interesting and profitable, as well as playing a plethora of things available to every player. Playing another AC helps learn its strength and weaknesses. On another hand playing different characters takes time from mastering just one to the point you can play it well.

 

Another huge aspect is teamwork and a value of a coordinated team cannot be overstated. I know, it's just one sentence, but tomes can be written on how teamwork changes everything and how the best of the teams are incredible (that includes both synergy and comp).

 

In the end, playing your AC and your role well in both PvE and PvP is a skill-intensive enterprise, depending on a body of knowledge, personal talent and synergy with the other players. Like with everything else, very few will shine. I agree though that complaining about it is just as fruitless as pining about not making it onto the Olympic stadium. Accepting your own limitations and being content with what you have - and you have a super-fun game to play- is a good thing.

I agree with everything you have here. I saw that I was limited on just using a regular mouse and keyboard to play, I found it extremely difficult and uncomfortable, so I bought a g600 and now I'm alot more comfortable. I've also tried a gaming pad, but felt the pad was way too big for my hands.

Having other AC, and playing them would benefit me a lot more in PvP. That's why currently I'm trying to finish lvling my alts. So I can learn each class, and know what works and what doesn't against them. I think in Regs, I'm good, but in ranked, I know I have trouble, although I am usually top damage on the scoreboard. I don't think that's efficient. So I'm off lvling alts through PvP and learning my classes. I did have a 55 juggernaut, but I found them extremely easy, and I'm really not motivated to lv him those 5 because of how easy I found it to play that class. So currently I'm working on my marauder because I'm having so much fun, with him. and then my sniper, just because I like snipers and I made him look like a bad *** hahaha So as much as I hate lvling, the increase to exp gain in pvp is what brought me back, now I can learn and lv my alts.

Edit: thank you for adding on to the post by the way. This is a supposed to be a discussion to help new players play the game, and learn their classes. But I already knew critism, and trolls were inevitable just because some one is actually trying to give tips on how to learn ones class.

This topic is disgusting, flavor of the month roller trying to tell people how to improve.

Everyone could just roll a Sorc or Sin but on wait most already did, and that is why PVP sucks for anyone not playing a OP class.

This topic is disgusting, flavor of the month roller trying to tell people how to improve.

 

 

Everyone could just roll a Sorc or Sin but on wait most already did, and that is why PVP sucks for anyone not playing a OP class.

Read the Whole post, not just what you choose to read. I been playing these classes before they became OP. And yes I agree, they are OP, but that's not gonna stop me from playing my favorite classes. Until they add another Long range force user, I'm going to continue playing Sorc, and until they add another saberstaff using class, I'm gonna continue to play my sin. Nerfed, or buffed, I don't care. I played my sorc before they got buffed. And I really Don't like the new changes to sins at all, they made deception weak, and madness into hatred, with some unreasonable abilities. I think they were fine back in 2.8 and just ruined it with 3.0 Not my fault the PvP team buffed the two most interesting classes in the game to me. When I came to this game I knew squat about it.

Now, I've been reading the forums on my spare time, and man do people just cry... just a few months ago I started taking ranked a bit more serious I've been playing since about 2.2 First toon was a sorc, and second was my assassin, and they're the ONLY two max level'd classes I have had since.

 

 

1) You probably don't know your class and think you do

2) You don't take time out of your game time to learn your class

 

All of this was before sorcs and sages even got their force barrier, and everyone cried about how Sins and sorcs were OP (3.0).

Did you really just criticize other players for not knowing their class, and in the same post state that your class didn't have force barrier in 2.2? Really? Force Barrier was in the game since 2.0.

Did you really just criticize other players for not knowing their class, and in the same post state that your class didn't have force barrier in 2.2? Really? Force Barrier was in the game since 2.0.

oh, excuse me for not knowing the exact update from like 2 years ago or so, lmao.

Notice the "about" before 2.2

Hi guys

Howdy. If this is you but you're able to tell everyone what they're doing wrong while playing 2 ACs, then this must be me.

Thanks for the motivation OP.

Howdy. If this is you but you're able to tell everyone what they're doing wrong while playing 2 ACs, then this must be me.

 

Thanks for the motivation OP.

Maybe so brother hahaha I've just been too lazy to finish lvling my other alts. I mean I had 3 AC's before lv cap increase. I just hate PvE'ing. All I do is PvP.

Do not -even- compre sniper / merc to jugg / mara. Jugg / mara are infinitely easier than sniper / merc at the moment. While jugs and maras get buffs, sniper / mercs are still getting nerfed.

Well, mara never got buffs only nerfs looking like buffs to some, but ok. Even with those nerfs mara is in infinite better state in PVP compared to merc, no doubt, we at least have theoretically decent/strong defCDs. Snipers are very good in 8v8 and group ranked, also they rarely get nerfed, they simply dont get buffs where they need it (its similar with mara: we want something, we dot get it, we got a buff-looking nerf instead, everyone says they only ever focus mara, and we still stand with the same problems, plus the new ones).